[Knightmare]

Сообщение от ant0N

постоянно только и пытаешься что унизить либо работой либо невозможностью купить айштото, в этом вся ваша суть.

У тебя какой-то параноидальный бред. Но мне нравится, продолжай.

Сообщение от ant0N

вой вой, хорош ванговать. Я работал "программистом", только это ты и смог понять и то только потому, что я прямым текстом это сказал.
Сейчас я работаю не с железом, моя работа не заключается в установке ОС. Бывает я это делаю, но это редкость. И ообще, как-то не красиво ты соскочил в личную жизнь.

Ой, ну пиздец просто:

Сообщение от ant0N

Сейчас работаю в другой организации и через меня проходит много разных компов и железа. Все. на что я ставил линукс, работало без бубнов. Даже консоль не нужно было открывать.

Или ты так быстро рабочее место поменял? Ну тогда был неправ.

Сообщение от ant0N

наверное трудно запоминать пустой головой, но ты хотя бы прочитай с чего спор начался про ЛО. Ты сказал что кривой-косой опенсурц не может быть таким же функциональным, а сейчас цепляешься за формат мелкософта. Короче об стену горох.

Ну так он кривой и косой и не выполняет главную функцию офисного пакета.

Сообщение от ant0N

где я сказал неправду? Ты в чужие компы заглядывал? Ты видел что творится у людей далеких от мира компьютеров?

Да нормально у них все, вроде сам там выступал типа пробелмы линупса это все старое, сейчас все ок, бла-бла-бла. Аналогично с вендой, с 7 таких проблем нету. Ну а при большом желании юзер и линупс поломает легко и не принужденно.

Сообщение от ant0N

не надо говорить о том, чего не знаешь. Старые версии поддерживаются еще много лет.

Мне настолько уже надоело писать одно и тоже, что ниже все будет, листай.

Сообщение от ant0N

ничего серьезного из-за чего нельзя было бы пользоваться системой там нет. А недостатки есть у всех, просто нужно выбирать с какими лучше жить.

Ну, это уже совсем не интересно, понеслась тогда:

1. NVIDIA Optimus technology and ATI dynamic GPU switching are still not supported on Linux out of the box in most major distros (Mint starting from version 17.2 supports Optimus but quite awkwardly - read the WFM section). AMD hybrid graphics support is lousy and very incomplete. - Отлично, конечно же простым пользователям совсем это не нужно. Здесь и далее - если ты не способен осилить о чем разговор, не стесняйся, я переведу и подробно объясню, но ты же крутой линупсоид, сам поймешь.
2. Open Source NVIDIA driver is much slower (up to five times) than its proprietary counterpart due to improperly working power management. AMD and Intel graphics drivers can be significantly slower than their proprietary counterparts (for Intel that's their Windows driver) in new complex, graphically intensive games and applications. Luckily open source drivers have reached parity in regard to old games and applications. - нахуй производительность, простым пользователям это нинужно
3. The most recent test shows that open source AMD and NVIDIA drivers struggle to properly support many types of video cards. - 640 килобайт10 видеокарт хватит всем простым пользователям
4. Open Source NVIDIA driver do not properly and fully support power management features and fan speed management. - нахуй это все, простые пользователи сэкономят на отоплении
5. Suspend and resume in Linux is unstable and oftentimes doesn't work. - ну, тут согласен, нинужно, ведь простые пользователи настолько тупые, что просто выдергивают вилку из розетки
6. This has become a distro specific choice, and hopefully we'll forget about it very soon: certain OpenGL features cannot be enabled in Linux due to patents (like S3TC texture compression and floating point textures). Mesa currently implements OpenGL 4.2 but it lacks certain 4.3 features which are required for modern games which means in some cases you might need proprietary NVIDIA/AMD drivers to play certain games under Linux. - ну да, ведь ты говоришь для игорь вайн норм зайдет простым пользователям, поэтому нинужно
7. NVIDIA and AMD proprietary graphics drivers don't work reliably for many people (crashes, unsupported new kernel and X server, slow downs, extreme temperatures, a very loud fan, etc.). - действительно, совсем это никому из простых пользователей нинужно, вообще незачем включить даже шайтанмашину
8. Great many users experience severe video and desktop tearing while watching videos and youtube clips (using Adobe Flash) - this issue affects both proprietary (NVIDIA confirmed that this issue plagues Kepler and Maxwell GPUs; an NVIDIA specific workaround exists but it causes performance degradation) and open source GPU drivers. Ostensibly it's an X.org "feature". Тут не удержался:
   
9. Linux drivers are usually much worse (they require a lot of tinkering, i.e. manual configuration) than Windows/Mac OS drivers in regard to support of non-standard display resolutions, very high (a.k.a. HiDPI) display resolutions or custom refresh rates. - нинужно, как вообще простой зер может себе позволить хороший монитор, о чем вообще разговор. Только яблочики могут себе это позволить, а всякие нишеброды должны страдать
10. Under Linux setting multi-monitor configurations especially using multiple GPUs running binary NVIDIA drivers can be a major PITA. - см. предыдущий пункт
11. ALSA (the primary sound driver in modern Linux'es) is a constant pain for both developers and users. - пусьт страдают, раз простыми пользователями являются и вообще не нужен им звук.
12. No reliable sound system, no reliable unified software audio mixing (implemented in all modern OSes except Linux), many old or/and proprietary applications still open audio output exclusively causing major user problems and headache. - ваще нинужно, да
13. No volume control for HDMI devices connected to NVIDIA GPUs (notwithstanding ALSA softvol hacks). - пусть соседи охуевают, они ведь тоже простые пользователи и должны страдать
14. High definition audio support (>=96KHz, >=24bit) is too often unusable. (Adobe Flash doesn't work with it, old Linux applications do not work with it or produce broken sound). - в целом согласен, какой-нить русский рэпчиг звучит одинаково хуево в любом качестве, а если не видно разницы, то зачем платить больше
15. There are still many printers which are not supported at all or only barely supported (among them are Lexmark and Canon) - some people argue that the user should research Linux compatibility before buying their hardware. What if the user decides to switch from Windows to Linux when he/she already has some hardware? When people purchase a Windows PC do they research anything? No, they rightly assume everything will work out of the box right from the get-go. - нинужно, чо эти лохи покупают всякую хуйню, а вот яблочники не нищеброды и молодцы
16. Some models of scanners and (web-)cameras are still inadequately supported (again many features from Windows drivers are missing) or not supported at all. - см. выше
17. Incomplete or unstable drivers for some hardware. Problems setting up some hardware (like sound cards, touchpads in newest laptops, web cameras or Wi-Fi cards, for instance, 802.11ac and USB Wi-Fi adapters are barely supported under Linux and in many cases they are just unusable). Numerous people report that Broadcom and Realtek network adapters are barely usable or outright unusable under Linux - см. выше
18. An insane number of regressions in the Linux kernel, when with every new kernel release some hardware can stop working inexplicably. I have personally reported two serious audio playback regressions, which have been consequently resolved, however most users don't know how to file bugs, how to bisect regressions, how to identify faulty components. - риальные посоны ваще не обновляются, тут мы уже поняли.
19. Incomplete or missing support for certain power saving features modern laptops employ (like e.g. PCIe ASPM, proper video decoding acceleration, deep power saving states, etc.) thus under Linux you won't get the same battery life as under Windows or MacOS and your laptop will run a lot hotter. Jupiter (discontinued unfortunately), see Advanced Power Management for Linux. - где-то выше было, я уже заебался
20. X.org is largely outdated, unsuitable and even very much insecure for modern PCs and applications. - да-да, окна в линупсе лучше чем в венде, пользоватлеям они ваще вкатят.
21. Keyboard shortcuts handling for people using local keyboard layouts is broken (this bug is now 10 years old). - простые пользователи не умеют в шорткаты, да-да, нинужно поэтому
22. X.org doesn't automatically switch between desktop resolutions if you have a full screen application with a custom resolution running - strangely some Linux developers oppose to the whole idea of games on Linux. - вайном пусть пользуются суки
23. X.org doesn't restore gamma (which can be perceived as increased brightness) settings on application exit. If you play Valve/Wine games and experience this problem run `xgamma -1` in a terminal. - см. выше
24. Scrolling in various applications causes artifacts. - запретить скроллинг!!11111
25. X.org allows applications to exclusively grab keyboard and mouse input. If such applications misbehave you are left with a system you cannot manage, you cannot even switch to text terminals. - простой пользователь выдернет шнур и выдавит стекло, так шо не проблема
26. Keyboard handling in X.org is broken by design - when you have a pop up or an open menu, global keyboard shortcuts/keybindings don't (GTK) work (QT). - где-то выше было про шорткаты (замечание - It's fixed as for Qt5 - hopefully most Qt4 applications will be ported to Qt5: another keyboard handling issue is that in many situations applications' shortcuts do not work (Qt4) when you have a different than the English US keyboard layout. - уже что-то)
27. Adobe Flash Player has numerous problems under Linux (unsupported video acceleration decoding and rendering, video tearing, crashes and frames dropping at 100% CPU usage even on high end systems). In 2012 Adobe announced that Adobe Flash player wouldn't be supported any longer for any browsers other than Google Chrome. Edit 2016: no, this issue has not been resolved, it's just Adobe Flash Player which is rapidly becoming irrelevant. - флэш нинужон простым пользователям, нехуй ферму гонять вконтакте
28. X.org is not multithreaded. Certain applications running intensive graphical operations can easily freeze your desktop (a simple easily reproducible example: run Adobe Photoshop 7.0 under Wine, open a big enough image and apply a sophisticated filter - see your graphical session die completely until Photoshop finishes its operation). - запретить запускать больше одного приложения!
29. There's currently no way to configure mouse scroll speed/acceleration under X.org. Some mice models scroll erratically under X.org. - про скролл тоже было вроже выше
30. X.org totally sucks (IOW doesn't work at all in regard to old applications) when it comes to supporting tiled displays, for instance modern 4K displays (Dell UP3214Q, Dell UP2414Q, ASUS PQ321QE, Seiko TVs and others). This is yet another architectural limitation. - и про это было выше, ведь только яблочникам дозволено юзать 4К
31. The kernel cannot recover from video, sound and network drivers' crashes (I'm very sorry for drawing a comparison with Windows Vista/7/8 where this feature is implemented and works beautifully in a lot of cases). - да кого это ебет, действительно
32. Traditional Linux/Unix (ext4/reiser/xfs/jfs/btrfs/etc.) filesystems can be problematic when being used on mass media storage. - все верно, нечего пользователям порнуху складировать на насах.
33. A great number (sometimes up to a hundred) of very serious regressions every kernel release due to missing QC/QA. - как мы уже выяснили одновляться мы не будем, и плевать на безопасность
34. Under some circumstances the system or X.org's GUI may become very slow and unresponsive due to various problems with video acceleration or lack of it and also due to notorious bug 12309 - it's ostensibly fixed but some people still experience it). - производительность нинужна пользователям
35. Distros' repositories do not contain all available open source software (libraries conflicts don't even allow that luxury). The user should never be bothered with using ./configure && make && make install (besides it's insecure, can break things in a major way, and it sometimes simply doesn't work because the user cannot install/configure dependencies properly). It should be possible to install any software by downloading a package and double clicking it (yes, like in Windows, but probably prompting for a user/administrator password). - прилоеняи тоже нинужны, пусть юзают чо дают, прям как мы - богоподобные яблочники
36. There's no guarantee whatsoever that your system will (re)boot successfully after GRUB (bootloader) or kernel updates - sometimes even minor kernel updates break the boot process. For instance Microsoft and Apple regularly update ntoskrnl.exe and mach_kernel respectively for security fixes, but it's unheard of that these updates ever compromised the boot process. GRUB updates have broken the boot process on the PCs around me for at least ten times. (Also see compatibility issues below). - запретим обновления, они нинужны от слова совсем
37. LTS distros are unusable on the desktop because they poorly support or don't support new hardware, specifically GPUs (as well as Wi-Fi adapters, NICs, sound cards, hardware sensors, etc.). Oftentimes you cannot use new software in LTS distros (normally without miscellaneous hacks like backports, PPAs, chroots, etc.), due to outdated libraries. A recent example is Google Chrome on RHEL 6/CentOS 6. - великолепная поддержка старых версий, согласен
38. Linux developers have a tendency to a) suppress news of security holes b) not notify the public when said hole have been fixed c) miscategorize arbitrary code execution bugs as "possible denial of service" (thanks to Gullible Jones for reminding me of this practice - I wanted to mention it aeons ago, but I kept forgetting about that).
    Here's a full quote by Torvalds himself: "So I personally consider security bugs to be just "normal bugs". I don't cover them up, but I also don't have any reason what-so-ever to think it's a good idea to track them and announce them as something special."
    
    Year 2014 was the most damning in regard to Linux security: critical remotely exploitable vulnerabilities were found in many basic Open Source projects, like bash (shellshock), OpenSSL (heartbleed), kernel and others. So much for "everyone can read the code thus it's invulnerable". In the beginning of 2015 a new critical remotely exploitable vulnerability was found, called GHOST.
    
    Year 2015 welcomed us with 134 vulnerabilities in one package alone: WebKitGTK+ WSA-2015-0002. I'm not implying that Linux is worse than Windows/MacOS proprietary/closed software - I'm just saying that the mantra that open source is more secure by definition because everyone can read the code is apparently totally wrong.
    
    Ну эээээ короче я даже хуй знает что сказать, это просто прекрасно для простых пользователей, которым мы к тому же запретили обновления, потому что см. выше
39. A new Linux init(!) system systemd has an utterly broken design: systemd can and does segfault, crash and freeze. In a sane world init should never ever crash under no circumstances. - не смотря на следующее за этим примечание что стало лучше, там же - все еще очень плохо
40. Most Linux distros are made such a way you cannot upgrade their individual core components (like kernel, glibc, Xorg, Xorg video drivers, Mesa drivers, etc.) without upgrading your whole system. Also if you have brand new hardware oftentimes you cannot install current Linux distros because almost all of them (aside from rare exceptions) don't incorporate the newest kernel release, so either you have to use alpha/development versions of your distro or you have to employ various hacks in order to install the said kernel. - обновления нинужны, опять же
41. Glibc by design "leaks" memory (due to heap fragmentation). Firefox for Linux now uses its own memory allocator. KDE Konsole application uses its own memory allocation routines. - нужно больше памяти, всего-то
42. A galore of software bugs across all applications. Just look into KDE or Gnome bugzilla's - some bugs are now ten years old with over several dozens of duplicates and no one is working on them. KDE/Gnome/etc. developers are busy adding new features and breaking old APIs, fixing bugs is of course a tedious and difficult chore. - все равно мы не будем обновляться...
43. Poor or almost missing regression testing in Linux kernel (and, alas, in other Open Source software too) leading to a situation when new kernels may become totally unusable for some hardware configurations (software suspend doesn't work, crashes, unable to boot, networking problems, video tearing, etc.) - см. выше
44. GUI network management in Linux is a bloody mess. Consider yourself lucky if NetworkManager works reliably for you. In too many cases NM won't see your existing eth0 connection, nor will it be able to detect it, even if this connection has never been configured before. NM cannot change your NIC hardware parameters. You cannot establish PPPoE connections over Wi-Fi. - пользователям нинужен интернет, там вирусы и страшно
45. No unified widely used system for packages signing and verification (thus it becomes increasingly problematic to verify packages which are not included by your distro). No central body to issue certificates and to sign packages. - то, что пользователи не будут ставить приложения мы тоже вроде определились, да?
46. There are no antiviruses or similar software for Linux (the existing ones are made for finding Windows viruses and analyzing Windows executives - i.e. they are more or less useless for Linux). Say, you want to install new software which is not included by your distro - currently there's no way to check if it's malicious or not. - но ведь вирусов-то нет, да-да-да
47. Linux distributions do not audit included packages which means a rogue evil application or a rogue evil patch can easily make into most distros thus endangering the end user. - см. выше про установку приложений и обновления.
48. Distro upgrade can render your system unusable (kernel might not boot, some features may stop working). - нахуй обновления!
49. There's a myth that backwards compatibility is a non-issue in Linux because all the software has sources. However a lot of software just cannot be compiled on newer Linux distros due to 1) outdated, conflicting, no longer available libraries and dependencies 2) every GCC release becoming much stricter about C/C++ syntax 3) Users just won't bother compiling old software because they don't know how to 'compile', nor they should know how to do that. - и приложения нахуй
50. Quite often you cannot run new applications in LTS distros. Recent examples: GTK3 based software (there's no official way to use it in RHEL6), and Google Chrome (Google decided to abandon LTS distros). - и хром нахуй!
51. Linux has a 255 bytes limitation for file names (this translates to just 63 four bytes characters in UTF- - not a great deal but copying or using files or directories with long names from your Windows PC can become a serious challenge. - 255 символов хватит всем
52. Most applications that exist both for Windows and Linux start up faster in Windows than in Linux (barring SSD disks but they are still prohibitively costly), sometimes several times faster. - все равно линупс быстрее!!!111
53. All native Linux filesystems are case sensitive about filenames which utterly confuses most users. This wonderful peculiarity doesn't have any sensible rationale. - тупым пользователям нинужно думать о регистре, хотя... Oh shi~~~~~~~~~~!
54. Там еще куча всего что может повлиять на простых пользователей, но я уже риальне устал. В общем да, никаких проблем и простым пользователям будет одно удовольствие юзать все вот это дело.

Сообщение от ant0N

под Васей я не имел ввиду автора того топика, я имел ввиду тех людей, на которых ты ссылаешься когда говоришь что у кого-то там что-то не завелось

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